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JonesOxygen
01-25-2012, 08:36 AM
It ain't happenin

http://www.troymessenger.com/2012/01/25/troy-ad-alcohol-sales-not-likely/

Lego
01-25-2012, 09:01 AM
It ain't happenin

http://www.troymessenger.com/2012/01/25/troy-ad-alcohol-sales-not-likely/

Thanks for the update Jones.

This is shortsighted, PC decision.
- We ALL have stated the need to generate more Revenue for Troy Athletics. Selling beer at a sporting event is a winner in $$$.

"Dennis said there are lots of factors to consider, including sponsorship, sales and community response in a conservative area."
- Getting an additional Beer sponsorship would mean more Revenue.
- Sales would be heathly, trust me. Sales = Revenue.
- community response in a conservative area. PC.

Enjoying a beer at a game is not that big a deal to me, I just think this is a major missed opportunity for Revenue generation. That is needed.

Disappointing

Harry Baker
01-25-2012, 09:04 AM
It ain't happenin

http://www.troymessenger.com/2012/01/25/troy-ad-alcohol-sales-not-likely/


That's sad...I looking forward to seeing Mike Amos take his first taste of an alcoholic beverage.

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 09:22 AM
I'm prob gonna get slammed for this, but oh well.

I'm really glad they decided not to go forward with this, because I had decided if they did I would give up my season tickets. My father and I have two chair backs in 210. I believe drinking is a personal choice, I'm not one of those people who looks down on someone for drinking. I used to have a serious problem with drinking and my current career frowns upon drinking especially with my position so going to a venue that openly supports drinking could jeopardize my job or at least give me some heck.

With all that aside, at almost every Troy game I've been I've seen some incident involving drinking or drunkenness. Regardless of what some people have said on here prior this would be exacerbated by selling it in the stadium. I think while the school would financial profit from the sales, I think they would suffer from some families, people like myself who have had previous problems with it, and people who have moral issues with it would not buy tickets. Also factor into the cost of additional security that might be needed and if I people stop going to Troy games then they would prob slip out of being fans and stop buying gear. Now you have to ask if the cost is worth the product?

Once again I know that most of you don't agree with me on this and in the words of Mr. Ford, "That's Okay." I'm simply putting my opinion and my point of view out there.

WeSuck.com
01-25-2012, 09:45 AM
Thanks for the update Jones.

This is shortsighted, PC decision.
- We ALL have stated the need to generate more Revenue for Troy Athletics. Selling beer at a sporting event is a winner in $$$.

"Dennis said there are lots of factors to consider, including sponsorship, sales and community response in a conservative area."
- Getting an additional Beer sponsorship would mean more Revenue.
- Sales would be heathly, trust me. Sales = Revenue.
- community response in a conservative area. PC. It's retarded

Enjoying a beer at a game is not that big a deal to me, I just think this is a major missed opportunity for Revenue generation. That is needed.

Disappointing

With JR remaining as our DC, we are all going to need plenty of liquor - either purchased off site or at the concession stand.

And I go to church every Sunday and live in a conservative area...I just don't get the hang-up with liquor...

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 09:59 AM
With JR remaining as our DC, we are all going to need plenty of liquor - either purchased off site or at the concession stand.

And I go to church every Sunday and live in a conservative area...I just don't get the hang-up with liquor...

In a class I was in a professor explained this... but to put it on here would be way more than I could type. Essentially with a long list of other qualifiers its the mind of if you drinkthen your going to get drunk.

TexasTrojan
01-25-2012, 10:09 AM
It ain't happenin

http://www.troymessenger.com/2012/01/25/troy-ad-alcohol-sales-not-likely/

They just took the chicken sh** PC way and raised the Student Fee from $392.00 to $448.00. Typical pencil pushing goverment employees ... refuse solution and hike the rate for the same service. I tought thinking outside the box and coming up with this idea was outstanding. BUT they just coward being thier desk and said ... we will just dog the students

WeSuck.com
01-25-2012, 10:38 AM
They just took the chicken sh** PC way and raised the Student Fee from $392.00 to $448.00.

I hope that $448 applies to EVERY student...otherwise stop that "we have 28,000 students" crap. Quite frankly, it's embarrassing.

Hemi Man
01-25-2012, 11:03 AM
Thanks for the update Jones.

This is shortsighted, PC decision.
- We ALL have stated the need to generate more Revenue for Troy Athletics. Selling beer at a sporting event is a winner in $$$.

"Dennis said there are lots of factors to consider, including sponsorship, sales and community response in a conservative area."
- Getting an additional Beer sponsorship would mean more Revenue.
- Sales would be heathly, trust me. Sales = Revenue.
- community response in a conservative area. PC.

Enjoying a beer at a game is not that big a deal to me, I just think this is a major missed opportunity for Revenue generation. That is needed.

Disappointing

Something you and I agree upon. However, those that make the decisions do not agree with us. We will have to move on and find other ways of generating revenue.

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 11:10 AM
Definition of POLITICALLY CORRECT: conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politically%20correct

Harry Baker
01-25-2012, 11:33 AM
Definition of POLITICALLY CORRECT: conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politically%20correct


This has nothing to do with either argument above but just an observationabout me:

I have never understood how I could be political correct when I am not a politician.

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 11:57 AM
This has nothing to do with either argument above but just an observationabout me:

I have never understood how I could be political correct when I am not a politician.

Well actually it does... because two or three posters said that the reason the school decided not to was because they were being PC. then the definition of it says that things should be eliminated. The PC argument doesn't fit into this because they're not eliminating something they simply aren't starting something that is a huge hot button topic to a lot of people. Now if they were to say no alcohol on campus period that could possible be considered PC, but again you would have to look into their reasons.

YJason
01-25-2012, 12:04 PM
Will you not eat at a resturant that serves alcohol? I understand if you won't...however many people that didn't want alcohol served at Troy games and were using a similar argument would have no problem being seen eating at Ruby Tuesday's. Just wondering your position on that?

Hemi Man
01-25-2012, 12:08 PM
In a class I was in a professor explained this... but to put it on here would be way more than I could type. Essentially with a long list of other qualifiers its the mind of if you drinkthen your going to get drunk.


His opinion is flawed. I know of one person at our tailgate that drinks just one beer. Just one. She isn't drunk. Those that choose to get drunk will do it regardless of whether its sold at the games or not.

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 12:14 PM
Will you not eat at a resturant that serves alcohol? I understand if you won't...however many people that didn't want alcohol served at Troy games and were using a similar argument would have no problem being seen eating at Ruby Tuesday's. Just wondering your position on that?

If Ruby Tuesdays had a history of having drunk people get into fights and be escorted out or if they had to escort unruly people because they were intoxicated on a regular basis then no I wouldn't. Plus at a restaurant you are usually in your own little section oblivious to most everyone around you. Plus most restaurants don't have the smell of it wafting out like a sports bar or a bar do. A sporting event on the other hand is very very different.

Again let me emphasis the fact that I do not look down on anyone for drinking. It is my personal choice, but on the same time I don't like to be around it especially when I had to pay a couple hundred bucks to be there.

Troy87
01-25-2012, 12:14 PM
His opinion is flawed. I know of one person at our tailgate that drinks just one beer. Just one. She isn't drunk. Those that choose to get drunk will do it regardless of whether its sold at the games or not.

For the life of me, I can't figure out who you're speaking of.

You'll have to tell me that one some time.

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 12:15 PM
His opinion is flawed. I know of one person at our tailgate that drinks just one beer. Just one. She isn't drunk. Those that choose to get drunk will do it regardless of whether its sold at the games or not.

That wasn't his point of view, he was expressing the point of view of most people who are almost militantly against drinking. Those people have the idea of well if your drinking your going to get drunk, and yes those peoples view is flawed.

Yes those who want to will get drunk regardless, but being drunk wears off... unless you can supply it.

newnan trojan
01-25-2012, 12:24 PM
Disappointing.... Oh well.

Hemi Man
01-25-2012, 12:47 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure out who you're speaking of.

You'll have to tell me that one some time.

You know her well.

Lego
01-25-2012, 12:59 PM
Now you have to ask if the cost is worth the product?

In this case, Yes. We need the Revenue to compete


If Ruby Tuesdays had a history of having drunk people get into fights and be escorted out or if they had to escort unruly people because they were intoxicated on a regular basis then no I wouldn't. Plus at a restaurant you are usually in your own little section oblivious to most everyone around you. Plus most restaurants don't have the smell of it wafting out like a sports bar or a bar do. A sporting event on the other hand is very very different.

Again let me emphasis the fact that I do not look down on anyone for drinking. It is my personal choice, but on the same time I don't like to be around it especially when I had to pay a couple hundred bucks to be there.

I am a season ticket holder. I don't see this at Troy home games alot. You insinuate that Troy has a "history" of it and it happens on a "regular basis", Like half of the fans are engaged in some sort of free for all.

And that Veterans Stadium is some roadside bar. Drinking and rowdyness has occured and will again, you are not going to stop it, so let's profit from it. All the Trojans in our section are good folks (maybe even a little too tight for our tastes).

If you are sitting in the chairback sections and in fact seeing crazy drunks and fights on a regular basis then maybe that is just the Trojan fanbase ?

Rette
01-25-2012, 01:01 PM
I'm prob gonna get slammed for this, but oh well.

I'm really glad they decided not to go forward with this, because I had decided if they did I would give up my season tickets. My father and I have two chair backs in 210. .

Thanks for your post. I think that I would have to give serious consideration to giving up our season tickets if the University ever allowed the sale of alcohol in the stadium. My wife and I attended the Troy / USM game in New Orleans a few year ago. Alcohol sales were allowed in the stadium and it created an atmosphere that we were not comfortable with. I will never understand the idea that alcohol is a necessary part of having a good time and I hope the University will continue to hold to it's policy of no alcohol sales inside the stadium. GO TROJANS!!!
:bounce012:

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 01:20 PM
In this case, Yes. We need the Revenue to compete



I am a season ticket holder. I don't see this at Troy home games alot. You insinuate that Troy has a "history" of it and it happens on a "regular basis", Like half of the fans are engaged in some sort of free for all.

And that Veterans Stadium is some roadside bar. Drinking and rowdyness has occured and will again, you are not going to stop it, so let's profit from it. All the Trojans in our section are good folks (maybe even a little too tight for our tastes).

If you are sitting in the chairback sections and in fact seeing crazy drunks and fights on a regular basis then maybe that is just the Trojan fanbase ?

I see or hear about every other game, most the time its just something small. Occasionally its something big like.... a couple frat boys getting in a fight or a couple guys trying to steal a spirit hammer from another team. I am not insinuating that half of Trojan fans are like this. It doesn't take half the people at a place for a place to have it happen regularly, think of FAU most the players there play clean but a couple of late hits on our QB and they are the dirtiest team in D1. Also just because I have chair back seats doesn't mean I spend the entire game in them.

As for the highlighted statement I could not disagree any more on that line of thought.

TexasTrojan
01-25-2012, 01:24 PM
If Ruby Tuesdays had a history of having drunk people get into fights and be escorted out or if they had to escort unruly people because they were intoxicated on a regular basis then no I wouldn't. Plus at a restaurant you are usually in your own little section oblivious to most everyone around you. Plus most restaurants don't have the smell of it wafting out like a sports bar or a bar do. A sporting event on the other hand is very very different.

Again let me emphasis the fact that I do not look down on anyone for drinking. It is my personal choice, but on the same time I don't like to be around it especially when I had to pay a couple hundred bucks to be there.

I have been going to professional Football, baseball and basketball games all my life. These are games were beer and wine are sold. I have never seen a fight break out. Went to the World Series in Arlington Texas and ticket was $155.00 and surronded by people drinking beer and wine . Even had my grandson and everyone was polite and curtious in my section.

Even St Louis fans were being respectful of others ....

Heck ... the church softball team Im on we warm up with a beer before the game.

Lego
01-25-2012, 01:30 PM
I see or hear about every other game, most the time its just something small. Occasionally its something big like.... a couple frat boys getting in a fight or a couple guys trying to steal a spirit hammer from another team. I am not insinuating that half of Trojan fans are like this. It doesn't take half the people at a place for a place to have it happen regularly, think of FAU most the players there play clean but a couple of late hits on our QB and they are the dirtiest team in D1. Also just because I have chair back seats doesn't mean I spend the entire game in them.

As for the highlighted statement I could not disagree any more on that line of thought.

Good, if the problems you see are small and just a few guys fooling around and not fights and drunks occurring on a regular basis then that does make more sense.

As of the highlighted statement you disagree with: (Drinking and rowdyness has occured and will again, you are not going to stop it, so let's profit from it)
I have been to alot of college football games in most sections of the country and this occurs at each and every one of them and it cannot be stopped as a whole.
Do you suggest that even Troy's football games and tailgates could be alcohol/drinking free ? Even if that is possible, attendence would fall off the face of a cliff (sad but true)

YJason
01-25-2012, 01:31 PM
To be honest...I can care less for my own benefit. However, those that want to drink will continue to do so, just as the do now. The university will continue to not recieve that revenue, just as now. However, the way this reads, the university has done a study and has determined that it will cost more (insurance, season tickets, donations) than revenue (pouring fees, concession fees, etc.) will contribute...I have no problem not doing it either if it doens't bring in more money.

Lego
01-25-2012, 01:37 PM
To be honest...I can care less for my own benefit. However, those that want to drink will continue to do so, just as the do now. The university will continue to not recieve that revenue, just as now. However, the way this reads, the university has done a study and has determined that it will cost more (insurance, season tickets, donations) than revenue (pouring fees, concession fees, etc.) will contribute...I have no problem not doing it either if it doens't bring in more money.

Good observation Jason, one to consider. But there is no freakin' way that Troy has a study (by a legit organization) that states the money going out (cost) is more than the money coming in (revenue) for beer sales.

Regardless, Why would all the other thousands of colleges across the US do beer sales ?

TexasTrojan
01-25-2012, 01:38 PM
I hope that $448 applies to EVERY student...otherwise stop that "we have 28,000 students" crap. Quite frankly, it's embarrassing.

Just saw it on the bill ... not sure if everyone has to pay it

TexasTrojan
01-25-2012, 01:49 PM
To be honest...I can care less for my own benefit. However, those that want to drink will continue to do so, just as the do now. The university will continue to not recieve that revenue, just as now. However, the way this reads, the university has done a study and has determined that it will cost more (insurance, season tickets, donations) than revenue (pouring fees, concession fees, etc.) will contribute...I have no problem not doing it either if it doens't bring in more money.

These are the things that would be adjusted into the price of the beer . I know that at Ranger Stadium in Arlington a 20 ounce beer is $7 regular season and $10 in the playoffs. Majority of that would be profit and I drink about 3 in a 7 1/2 inning period

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 01:55 PM
As of the highlighted statement you disagree with: (Drinking and rowdyness has occured and will again, you are not going to stop it, so let's profit from it)
I have been to alot of college football games in most sections of the country and this occurs at each and every one of them and it cannot be stopped as a whole.
Do you suggest that even Troy's football games and tailgates could be alcohol/drinking free ? Even if that is possible, attendence would fall off the face of a cliff (sad but true)

Sorry I should have just highlighted the specific thing I was referring to.
I am not suggesting making the tailgate areas "alcohol/drinking free". I believe in personal freedoms, if you are 21 and brought it do whatever within the law. The campus is large enough that if you are typically near people who get too rowdy for you, you can move to a more sedated place or drop in before kickoff and leave after.

I disagree with the idea of well you cant stop it, so profit from it.

newnan trojan
01-25-2012, 02:01 PM
Lets put slot machines in the stadium!:thumb:

Troy87
01-25-2012, 02:06 PM
Lets put slot machines in the stadium!:thumb:

Yeah....go ask Ronnie Gilley how that will go.

YJason
01-25-2012, 02:12 PM
Good observation Jason, one to consider. But there is no freakin' way that Troy has a study (by a legit organization) that states the money going out (cost) is more than the money coming in (revenue) for beer sales.

Regardless, Why would all the other thousands of colleges across the US do beer sales ?

I agree, I don't see how it couldn't make money. They didn't say who compiled the study, probably a grad student, IMO. You can commision a study and get any answer you want...studies have zero valitity if commisioned by anyone with an agenda (ie. keeping donors happy). My personal opinion is it will be brought up again in the next few years and will go through that time, just slipped in. First year will be Baseball, next Football...then you will see it campuswide...even in the new saga. This is how things are done in Troy now...threaten to do something...back off...then do it without further discussion. Then you will see a push to get kegs for business because it will make more profit for those with pouring rights.

One way to handle the insurance cost adjustment is to have it rolled into the pouring fees. Whatever the increased cost of insurance the university sees could simply be payed by the company that gets pouring rights...plus the pouring fees payed to the University.

Lego
01-25-2012, 02:14 PM
Lets put slot machines in the stadium!:thumb:

As long as it's legal, I don't care what we do to have the financial means to continue to move Troy upwards and compete for chamionships.

We all want and need the new fieldhouse in the endzone, more funds for better coaches, etc. Troy has to be progressive in raising funds to compete. Like leasing out the naming rights for the stadium, do it ! More revenue. I could care less if the stadium was called Chick-fil-A Stadium.
(might be pretty cool)

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 02:17 PM
As long as it's legal, I don't care what we do to have the financial means to continue to move Troy upwards and compete for chamionships.

We all want and need the new fieldhouse in the endzone, more funds for better coaches, etc. Troy has to be progressive in raising funds to compete. Like leasing out the naming rights for the stadium, do it ! More revenue. I could care less if the stadium was called Chick-fil-A Stadium.
(might be pretty cool)

I approve this :thumb:

TexasTrojan
01-25-2012, 02:20 PM
As long as it's legal, I don't care what we do to have the financial means to continue to move Troy upwards and compete for chamionships.

We all want and need the new fieldhouse in the endzone, more funds for better coaches, etc. Troy has to be progressive in raising funds to compete. Like leasing out the naming rights for the stadium, do it ! More revenue. I could care less if the stadium was called Chick-fil-A Stadium.
(might be pretty cool)

There are a few companys I wouldnt want to see have naming rights

newnan trojan
01-25-2012, 02:21 PM
I was totally kidding about the slot machines if anyone was wondering.....That would be a disaster...All that ringing and binging going on in the back ground during the games..GEEZ!!

Lego
01-25-2012, 02:22 PM
There are a few companys I wouldnt want to see have naming rights

Agree, would not want to take my kids to Trojan Stadium to see the Troy Trojans. They would be "ribbed" to death by their friends.

Troy87
01-25-2012, 02:26 PM
I was totally kidding about the slot machines if anyone was wondering.....That would be a disaster...All that ringing and binging going on in the back ground during the games..GEEZ!!

Yeah...we know it was sarcasm, and as for me, I used the Gilley response as the example of the PC argument waged a page or so earlier.

An example of an activity halted to appease the sensibilities of those who wanted to demonize the activity.....despite the MILLIONS of $$$$ that would have been fed into the coffers of both the state and the counties that had the "Bingo Slots", and the THOUSANDS of jobs with good wages that were instantly lost and instead are now being paid with a lot of taxpayer money through the Unemployment Office.

Damn.....where did that soapbox come from that I just climbed up on?

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 02:35 PM
Yeah...we know it was sarcasm, and as for me, I used the Gilley response as the example of the PC argument waged a page or so earlier.

An example of an activity halted to appease the sensibilities of those who wanted to demonize the activity.....despite the MILLIONS of $$$$ that would have been fed into the coffers of both the state and the counties that had the "Bingo Slots", and the THOUSANDS of jobs with good wages that were instantly lost and instead are now being paid with a lot of taxpayer money through the Unemployment Office.

Damn.....where did that soapbox come from that I just climbed up on?

Actually that too is not an example of PC, that activity was halted because it was illegal. If they would have gone through the proper channels to try and legalize the activity rather than trying to pass it off as something else.

Troy87
01-25-2012, 02:37 PM
Agree, would not want to take my kids to Trojan Stadium to see the Troy Trojans. They would be "ribbed" to death by their friends.

Hey, say what you will, but the Ansell Rubber Products in Troy would be a perfect sponsor for Troy. Now granted, they produce the name brand "Lifestyle" instead of "Trojans", so that could be a stumbling block there.

Lego
01-25-2012, 02:45 PM
Hey, say what you will, but the Ansell Rubber Products in Troy would be a perfect sponsor for Troy. Now granted, they produce the name brand "Lifestyle" instead of "Trojans", so that could be a stumbling block there.

Dang, I forgot about Ansell producing Lifestyles in Troy. Received alot of free samples while at Troy, I have 10 kids, Hey something just connected....

Troy87
01-25-2012, 02:46 PM
Actually that too is not an example of PC, that activity was halted because it was illegal. If they would have gone through the proper channels to try and legalize the activity rather than trying to pass it off as something else.

Technically, you are correct. But in Alabama politics, if there had not been a group that thought their sensibilities were being assailed, then you can bet the farm that it would have been "fixed" so that those operations would have continued, those jobs would have been kept with more added, and those dollars staying in West Georgia and North Florida would have been dollars coming to Alabama.

And you can bet that group had a bunch of $$$$ to show how much their sensibilities were being assailed, and that their $$$$$ were more powerful than those of the few.

I also bet if someone like Big Jim Folsom were still around, there wouldn't have even been a question about it. He would have said make it work, cause this state needs those dollars. Of course Seigelman would have gone along with it, but he would have wanted a personal "commission".

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 02:50 PM
Technically, you are correct. But in Alabama politics, if there had not been a group that thought their sensibilities were being assailed, then you can bet the farm that it would have been "fixed" so that those operations would have continued, those jobs would have been kept with more added, and those dollars staying in West Georgia and North Florida would have been dollars coming to Alabama.

And you can bet that group had a bunch of $$$$ to show how much their sensibilities were being assailed, and that their $$$$$ were more powerful than those of the few.

I also bet if someone like Big Jim Folsom were still around, there wouldn't have even been a question about it. He would have said make it work, cause this state needs those dollars. Of course Seigelman would have gone along with it, but he would have wanted a personal "commission".

But now that poses an interesting question, is turning a blind eye to the law right?

Troy87
01-25-2012, 02:53 PM
But now that poses an interesting question, is turning a blind eye to the law right?

Hence my qualification, "In Alabama Politics.....".

In other words, the law is the law when the law suits a particular philosophy or ideaology. When it does not agree, then things are either "overlooked" or "corrected" to suit the will of the power.

Troy87
01-25-2012, 02:57 PM
I'm going to move this thread to Everything Else.....because we are no where near Football anymore.

:laughing021:

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 02:59 PM
Hence my qualification, "In Alabama Politics.....".

In other words, the law is the law when the law suits a particular philosophy or ideaology. When it does not agree, then things are either "overlooked" or "corrected" to suit the will of the power.


That is the foundation of a dictatorship, when the law is kept unless those is power don't find it convenient at the time.

Troy87
01-25-2012, 03:15 PM
That is the foundation of a dictatorship, when the law is kept unless those is power don't find it convenient at the time.

Yes it is, and in many states, the governor is a defacto dictator. I say this with only a slight hint of sarcasm, because at the state level, it almost defaults to that level, because it is necessary in many circumstances. It is mostly done as a benevolent dictatorship too.

Many Alabama Governorships were dictatorships; George Wallace (several times), the aforementioned Big Jim Folsom, and to an extent Fob James. These are some in the most recent memory. George Wallace in particular, was the benevolent dictator. Alabama law doesn't allow more than two consecutive terms in office, however there is no law against serving more than two terms. So he had two terms, then his wife Lurleen had a term, and then he had two more terms.....any Putin fans recognize this?

Wallace was also very beneficial to the state of Alabama despite his early segregationist views in the beginning of his political career. Remember he stood on the steps of the Alabama campus refusing entry of three African American students to a classroom. Yet, by the end of his career, he could not be elected without the African American vote in the state.

Whose sensibilities was he satisfying in each of those instances? It's an extreme example, but it's pretty demonstrable as to the tendency of Alabama politics to be fickle.

Florida politics aren't that far removed either. There have been some pretty interesting characters sitting at the end of Apalachee Parkway too. There are many laws in Florida that are not in the best interest of the state, but certainly kowtow to the constituencies of central and south Florida, with NO regard to the effect on the North Florida citizens.

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 03:23 PM
I'm not insinuating that Florida is any different nor that county I live in is any different. I'm just saying it's not right.

Troy87
01-25-2012, 04:00 PM
I'm not insinuating that Florida is any different nor that county I live in is any different. I'm just saying it's not right.

Roger that!

But I will have dissent with you on the state of the country versus the state of the states (confusing I know). Whereas our states almost endear themselves to dictatorships, the federal level has become socialistic. We can make that a different discussion for a different time and place.

And I know this is way far derailed from the subject of beer sales at sporting venues on the Troy campus, but that is a microcosm of what embodies our social and political structure from the municipal to the federal levels. Playing politics to either get what you want now, or to get what you want later.

Someone has made a decision to NOT serve alcohol at sporting events on the Troy campus, so that later, they aren't denied something they really want to have happen for another reason, job retention, budget increase, community support for the University, etc.

We all do it every day. Back to your definition of PC:

Definition of POLITICALLY CORRECT: conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated

You accentuated the "should be eliminated" in your position, but I think the more important aspect of the definition is "conforming to a belief", or in other words, "Taking the position"...political position if you will....."that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities should be eliminated".

Let's look at Merriam Webster;

po·lit·i·cal cor·rect·ness

Noun:The avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult certain groups of people.

This is where I believe political correctness truly lies. Not necessarily in the elimination of a practice, but the altogether avoidance due to the perceived insult that would be supposedly issued to a particular group.

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 04:16 PM
Heres the link I used for my definition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politically%20correct

Kinda funny actually, I do agree that your definition is better. If the school had sold beer couldn't the argument be made that they were being PC because they wanted to please a certain group?

My point is that the PC argument can be made from any size you want to use it. I seriously doubt that was the issues behind this, I think it was from them talking to donors and other people who might not have a problem with drinking but had a problem with the school selling it.

Troy87
01-25-2012, 04:28 PM
Heres the link I used for my definition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politically%20correct

Kinda funny actually, I do agree that your definition is better. If the school had sold beer couldn't the argument be made that they were being PC because they wanted to please a certain group? Absolutely 100%!


My point is that the PC argument can be made from any size you want to use it. Again...Absolutely!


I seriously doubt that was the issues behind this, I think it was from them talking to donors and other people who might not have a problem with drinking but had a problem with the school selling it. Within certain circles, I'm fairly certain there were some PC overtones to the decision. But more to the latter part of this sentence, the "other people" that don't have a problem with the drinking, but with the school selling it. I think this divides along two parties; those who don't think the school should be providing an outlet for alcohol sales as a matter of institutional perception, and those who might be financially damaged from the school being the outlet versus the convenience stores, grocery stores, restaurants post-game, and other local retailers.

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 05:22 PM
Absolutely 100%!

Again...Absolutely!

Within certain circles, I'm fairly certain there were some PC overtones to the decision. But more to the latter part of this sentence, the "other people" that don't have a problem with the drinking, but with the school selling it. I think this divides along two parties; those who don't think the school should be providing an outlet for alcohol sales as a matter of institutional perception, and those who might be financially damaged from the school being the outlet versus the convenience stores, grocery stores, restaurants post-game, and other local retailers.

Agreed

trojanchad
01-25-2012, 08:26 PM
How about a compromise where beer vendors can set up on tailgate terrace before games only and close before kickoff? If we beer drinkers can behave and not spill our $10 drinks all over the sidewalk, refrain from punching our significant others and not tackle police or run out on the field for some pre game field goal tries then beer is allowed inside the stadium.

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 09:03 PM
How about a compromise where beer vendors can set up on tailgate terrace before games only and close before kickoff? If we beer drinkers can behave and not spill our $10 drinks all over the sidewalk, refrain from punching our significant others and not tackle police or run out on the field for some pre game field goal tries then beer is allowed inside the stadium.

You completely missed everything I said didn't you?

trojanchad
01-25-2012, 09:09 PM
You completely missed everything I said didn't you?

Probably. There are six pages of responses here and my whimsical quip wasn't really directed at anyone.

Spiritual_Trojan
01-25-2012, 09:10 PM
Probably. There are six pages of responses here and my whimsical quip wasn't really directed at anyone.

mmk

Lego
01-25-2012, 09:23 PM
How about a compromise where beer vendors can set up on tailgate terrace before games only and close before kickoff? If we beer drinkers can behave and not spill our $10 drinks all over the sidewalk, refrain from punching our significant others and not tackle police or run out on the field for some pre game field goal tries then beer is allowed inside the stadium.

It was funny.

PensacolaTrojan
01-27-2012, 12:16 AM
I'm sorry. It must be my fault that the beer sales were pulled. I am sure Steve Dennis read my compelling and insightfull argument that the school can't ban smoking in someone's car because it is bad for their health and turn around and sell beer....It can be a curse sometimes to be so darn undeniably right all the time...

Troy87
01-27-2012, 08:04 AM
I'm sorry. It must be my fault that the beer sales were pulled. I am sure Steve Dennis read my compelling and insightfull argument that the school can't ban smoking in someone's car because it is bad for their health and turn around and sell beer....It can be a curse sometimes to be so darn undeniably right all the time...

Bazinga!