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PensacolaTrojan
07-31-2011, 07:12 PM
Troy University, in an attempt to join to politically correct movement has "jumped the shark" in its attempt to control behavior of students and all people who arrive on campus. The University trustees have banned smoking across the campus starting in August 2012. This means that they prohibit the use of tobacco anywhere including, and I quote a "private vehi*cle on school property".
What happened to individual rights, what happened to commen sense, what happened to reasonable people acting reasonably. I assume that they will also ban bar b q grills at tailgate events because they polute the air and I am sure that they will ban fatty foods from the new food court because they cause collesteral problems and I am sure they will ban sweet snacks because they can cause blood sugar problems. Why do we even offer varied menus, just give the students the most healthy meal possible without regard to their personal wishes.
How many alumni are going to join in this ban during football tailgate events? Are the campus police going to blindly ignore under age drinking but arrest someone for smoking a cigar?
When did the University decide they wanted to join the Nanny State?
I am sure this idea sounded good at the time.... who could object to healthy living, but come on, where does it end?
I am sure this is the policy at many liberal Northeastern institutions. The same ones we laugh at their "holier than thou attitude", where they know best and it is up to the little people to get in line,
I never thougth this would come to Troy, the University that believes in American freedoms and individual rights.
This is a dark day in America!:mad:

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011107270342

troy4ever21
07-31-2011, 07:19 PM
:sleep010: This is old news.

PensacolaTrojan
07-31-2011, 07:35 PM
It may be old news on campus but I doubt it is well known across the alumni.
Has there been any kind of reaction on campus or are the students too ambivalent to care about personal rights?

TroyDrum89
07-31-2011, 07:50 PM
There's been little to no reaction on campus because it's summer. Nobody is here.

My two cents though: I'm glad for this. I'm all for individual rights or whatever, but I absolutely cannot stand walking through clouds of smoke walking to and from classes. It's a year away, so there'll be time for the smokers to puff their little lungs out until August 2012. Hooray clean air!

troy4ever21
07-31-2011, 07:54 PM
I've said this already in another thread; its an institutional rule not a law.

PensacolaTrojan
07-31-2011, 08:00 PM
There's been little to no reaction on campus because it's summer. Nobody is here.

My two cents though: I'm glad for this. I'm all for individual rights or whatever, but I absolutely cannot stand walking through clouds of smoke walking to and from classes. It's a year away, so there'll be time for the smokers to puff their little lungs out until August 2012. Hooray clean air!

Think about it, this is not for your benefit, it is for the health of the student. Why esle would they have banned it in personal cars.

Ask yourself where does it end...

PensacolaTrojan
07-31-2011, 08:01 PM
I've said this already in another thread; its an institutional rule not a law.

I missed your earlier thread, can you give me a link?

troy4ever21
07-31-2011, 08:06 PM
Its not my thread.
http://www.gotroytrojans.com/forums850/showthread.php?t=25438

TroyDrum89
07-31-2011, 08:07 PM
Think about it, this is not for your benefit, it is for the health of the student. Why esle would they have banned it in personal cars.

Ask yourself where does it end...

Uh, it may be intended for overall student health, but it is absolutely for my benefit. No more secondhand smoke? It's almost too good to be true!

troyaluminmichigan
07-31-2011, 10:16 PM
As a former smoker (quite 20 years ago after I lost my father and grandparents to the habit), and someone who appreciates the ban on smoking, I get where Pensacola is coming from. I do think it is a push to ban smoking in your own vehicle on campus, however, I do recall the same situation at a military base a few years ago, and there is a hospital in my local area with the same rule.

The intention is good, but where do you draw the line in holding someone accountable for their own actions.

Where practical, the smoking ban should be enforced for the overall health of others. I personally hate to smell someone's smoke coming my way, especially standing to close to a doorway, as I try to pass. But how do you enforce someone's behavior in their private property? Inconsistently at best.

That's the tough part. When is it an invasion of privacy to stop your vehicle because of an other wise legal act?

Just food for thought.

Trojan_Thunder
07-31-2011, 10:26 PM
As I also stated in an earlier thread- I applaud the University for such a bold stand! Anyone who suffers from respiratory problems can understand how bad second hand smoke can be to your health. Don't folks have the right to breath clean air?

Burn the Horse
07-31-2011, 10:49 PM
I respect the right of others to do was they please as long as it doesn't affect me or others in a negative fashion. that being said, if a business wants to make a rule, regardless of who it affects, that is their right.

Troy University is a business, bottom line. if they want to ban smoking on campus that is their right. since this is a democratic/free society, people are able to choose where/if they attend college and do not have to choose Troy for their education. If Troy wants to ban smoking on the campus they have the right to do so.

I applaud the University for this decision. I do not smoke and do not frequent businesses that support/promote the habit. I am happy Troy University has made this decision and I hope they thrive because of it.

Congratulations Troy, God Bless. :thumb:

PensacolaTrojan
08-01-2011, 08:29 PM
In breaking news, the Troy BOT announces, in recognition of their unlimited power to regulate the private lives of its students, employees and all who step on their campus, that they will limit or prohibit those activities or life styles that the BOT finds offensive or that may be found to be offensive to other individuals. The following changes will be implemented immediately:

Bed checks will commence at 10pm in all campus dorms. It has been determined that students learn faster and retain more information when they get between 8 and 10 hours of sleep a night, therefore the bed checks will ensure that the students are prepared and that those who lack sleep won't slow the learning process for those well rested students.

The use of perfume and cologne will be banned as this can be offensive to those students and personnel who may have to sit too close to the user and it can be expensive and the students have better things to spend their money on.

All students wishing to attend daytime football games will have to provide proof of sunscreen and have in their possession a pair of sunglasses as it has been proven that the sun's damaging rays can cause skin cancer and can lead to cataracts.

Noise decibel meters will be installed in the football stadium to measure the level of noise, and should unsafe levels be recorded during particularly exciting parts of the game, the offending sections will be required to sit down and immediately lower the volume so as to not offend others or perhaps lead to hearing damage to those around the offenders.

All game day concession stand food will be measured for salt, caloric and fat content and those exceeding the USDA recommended levels will be removed from the menu as these have been found to cause diabetes, high blood pressure and cholesterol in many consumers.

All food concessions within the new student dining hall will also be subject to the above restrictions, and, in addition, all music will be banned from the dining hall as this has been found to be offensive to some diners who prefer to eat their meals in silence.

And, finally, in recognition of the level of pollution and global warming caused by gas combustion engines, only electric powered vehicles will be permitted on campus. This will have the side benefit of eliminating a growing parking problem on campus and increasing the level of cardio healthy exercise by students having to leave their gas powered cars at home and walk to school.

When asked if any of these changes might be considered an invasion of the students' privacy or over stepping their bounds of authority, the BOT answered "that you can never go to far when helping people see the error of their ways and besides, we know what is best".

Upon hearing this cutting edge approach to behavior modification, the US Congress organized a committee to study which of these could be immediately implemented across the country as a whole. After all, no one complained when they were imposed on campus so why should the general public be any different.

nohuddle
08-02-2011, 08:26 AM
none of the things you mentioned infringe on other people's right not to be involuntarily exposed to known carcinogenic substances. None of those things you mentioned have been proven to trigger asthma attacks and cause numerous serious health problems for OTHER people.

Even if you want to ignore the facts that it causes harm to other people, there's plenty of grounds for banning something just because it's annoying (loud music, profanity, obscenity, pda, etc). It's not about regulating private lives. You're free to do what you want on your property. When you're on Troy property, regardless of whether you're in your personal car, they make the rules.

If the facilities crew was removing asbestos from the entrance to Bibb Graves, they would not let people pass in and out of those doors. Smoking is no different. Way to go Troy.

moosicman
08-02-2011, 09:42 AM
Absurd. Your scared of a slippery slope that is never gonna happen.

Hemi Man
08-02-2011, 04:42 PM
Would you all be so giddy over this idea if it was followed by a rule stating no faculty or staff of Troy university were allowed to be a part of GTT?

PensacolaTrojan
08-02-2011, 08:41 PM
Before you say it can't happen, remember


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller (1892-1984)

moosicman
08-02-2011, 08:50 PM
I'm gonna go on record as saying that banning smoking in a place of public is not going to lead to socialism or another Holocaust. If those things happen (as I believe they probably will) it will be because of other reasons. It will have nothing to do with Troy University banning smoking. Chisel it in stone that I said so.

PensacolaTrojan
08-02-2011, 10:20 PM
Banning smoking doesn't lead to socialism, it is just a symptom of the over reaching of goverment and governmental agencies that wish to impose their collective will over the people in the guise of the "greater good" and "we know what is best" for society.
Who could complain about a ban on smoking, it stinks, causes cancer, etc, but people forget that it is legal and when a small body can determine what
legal behavior can be banned, not restricted, the slope is indeed slippery.

Burn the Horse
08-02-2011, 10:29 PM
I think someone needs to research just what "socialism" is. :rollinglaugh:

moosicman
08-03-2011, 12:24 AM
Pens, I've no intent to disrespect you, but you say on one hand that banning smoking isn't going to lead to socialism (or I'm also going to include other forms of gov. intrusion) yet on the other hand you've written two or three posts laced with just such a contradicting idea; an indicating fear that such a thing may just come to pass. Not that I think you actually, seriously think such a thing, but you even close post #17 by saying the slope is indeed slippery (is this not a bit of a contradiction?).

Look, my friend, you're point is well taken and I'm even with you when it comes to government intrusion into the private lives of individuals. But in this instance, such a perspective is reactionary on the other side of the extreme. Every restriction and illegality given or legisltated by the governments, public, semi-public, or private, institutions, etc. is not a conspiratorial grap of rights and power. There are reasonable and healthy instances that are enacted that really ARE for the greater good. Or have you spoken out as similarly as you have here towards hospitals, restaurants, businesses, or other public schools from just a similar ban (I can remember when high school students COULD smoke at school). It's legal to not wear a shirt or shoes, obviously. Yet such is banned and/or restricted in public in several venues. Sexual intercourse is quite legal, but again please don't in public unless you want your personal, individual rights infringed upon by the authorities. Obviously, the latter is an over-illustration but it stands to reason that many "private rights" are banned and restricted and are 100% rightly done so while having nothing to do with Big Brother and 1984.

TU is wholly within their right to ban such activity (I'm back to smoking, not sexual intercourse:) at their institutions. You have the right to stay home, drive off of the campus, or some other solution (in other words, your rights have not been taken away). You just don't have the right to infringe upon the rights of those who wish to attend and NOT smoke. It is indeed a GOOD thing Troy has done.

(note that I use the word "you" generally speaking and not you specifically, as I think I remember you stating that you did not smoke - just fyi)

PensacolaTrojan
08-03-2011, 06:33 PM
TU is wholly within their right to ban such activity

Let's just say we agree to disagree about the extent of Troy's right to ban, without reasonable accomodation, the legal activity (it is not legal to engage in intercourse in public) in someone's car or in an outdoor area (away from buildings would be a reasonable accomodation.

The fact that individuals don't have a problem with this is that it doesn't affect them. I don't smoke cigarettes nor does anyone in my family, but defending freedom is not about what affects you personnaly, it's about what is right.

MusicMan
08-03-2011, 10:14 PM
What's the difference between Troy banning smoking on land that they own, and a restaurant doing the same thing? Every restaurant in my hometown is smoke free, and the city made the law, if memory serves. I don't smoke, but I see nothing wrong with it other than it making some people mad....so what else is new? People get mad that the grass gets mowed cause of the noise (SW)

Lord-Mustang
09-01-2011, 10:27 PM
You folks are skirting the full issue. It's not just a "Smoking Ban" and not just at Troy...



"TROY—Troy University's trustees passed a resolution Friday banning use of all tobacco products on its campuses and teaching locations worldwide beginning Aug, 13, 2012."