so...

[TROYgirl128]

Who ended up winning the tournament?

[TUEngineer]

University of Classless Fools :x

[UCF99]

bows out in the first round and ends up with a garbage record their last year in the Asun. One thing I will say is that UCF fans will miss the Troy rivalry as we depart the lowly Asun. CUSA will bring us better competition as will the Sunbelt. Lets hope that if CUSA expanded Troy would be candidate, would be a perfect fit here in the south.
Agnew

[Hector]

Thanks, UCF man. Goodbye to the setting Sun Conference. Our teams just improved their RPIs overnight.

[BMarkey]

Goodbye to UCF is just as important to goodbye to the A-Sun.

UCF fans will miss the Troy rivalry

Oh, so now it's a rivalry? A month or so ago, the UCF fans considered us nothing more than a small annoyance.

When they grow some ... they will play Troy in football.

While it is true that Troy will have to improve to compete in the SunBelt (and it will), UCF will be hard pressed to even get noticed in C-USA. I hope the "jerks" enjoyed their last 20-win season in a while.

[st932253]

*******, I try to keep my posts intelligent, and frankly - that makes it very hard to talk to you.

It's not rocket science - some fans think of you as an important rivalry, some do not. It makes total sense - the ones who are on board either followed the football rivalry in the late 80s/early 90s, or are students who followed our basketball team's back to back conference championship matchups and witnessed each team selling out their home game against the other.

My opinion is that you guys are our rival out of competition. I think anyone that is above the norm in the A-Sun is constantly looking for another team that is good to validate themselves against - you can only feel so good about creaming a Lipscomb or a Campbell. UCF and Troy provided that for eachother, but this year Troy fell and UCF by in large didn't care. It's no more disrespectful than the way you guys switched your interest from GSU to UCF when GSU started their decline.

And your comment that UCF needs to "grow some" is assinine. We are in a scheduling bind as it is since we had to sign contracts for 11 games a year (including one that we DID schedule with Troy) and then joined a conference. In a few years it should be workable. Who knows? Maybe it's already down on paper. Neither of us know exactly what the ADs did with it.

[TSUWhiner]

Sorry UCF fans..I wish we could keep playing each other. I still hate our conference that we are in. Hopefully one day the admin will grow some grapefruits and get us moved to another "real" conference. I will always continue to support our team no matter what conference we are in. Bottom line though..we need to start winning games in football and basketball..for the other overated conferences to start looking at us. Good luck to UCF..beat USM like the b****s they are.

[BMarkey]

UCF bailed on the Troy games at least two years ago, before any scheduling bind.

Troy has always been ready to continue the football series. When will UCF sign the deal?

[ucfunke]

UCF bailed on the Troy games at least two years ago, before any scheduling bind.

Troy has always been ready to continue the football series. When will UCF sign the deal?

we bailed on troy to play Penn state. When you have the chance to play on TV at happy Valley you take it.

[BMarkey]

And then UCF never made up its obligation to Troy. Same as Iowa State. So much for contracts, promises, ethics, integrity.

[st932253]

Putting aside ethics and integrity for the first part of this message....I'd love to know how UCF skirted the contract. Please share. I have a lease I'm trying to break.

If you conclude that UCF didn't skirt the contract but found Troy a replacement game or bought it out - then we did fulfill our obligation to Troy...and bringing back "ethics and integrity" - it's all good.

Just join C-USA and we don't have to worry about scheduling the game. I think that would be best for all of us.

[JSU_Alum]

Remember that old saying about those who live in glass houses...*******, please remember that your school was scheduled to play Ole Miss in its first I-A football game and then backed out to play Nebraska.

I can't blame UCF for wanting to play Penn State on ESPN over playing Troy on no TV. While it could become a great regional rivalry, playing Troy at home doesn't really benefit UCF.

Congrats to UCF for winning the A-Sun...I would love to see them play Okla. State in the first round to have the Grahams play against their former team.

I also see UCF having some success in C-USA in hoops. The only two good teams that are left are UAB and Memphis. But, with a higher profile league, they'll at least get some consideration for an at-large bid if they win 20 games.

[BMarkey]

Leave it to a Jax State fan - who has nothing better to do than check to see if he can still see Troy, so far ahead of his school on the highway of sports success - to come on here and buddy up to the UCF people.

That's funny.

Backing out of a game commitment is wrong. From what I have read, whenever Troy has changed its schedule (I believe Troy's change was a result of some deal brokered by ESPN) it has worked with the affected teams to make up those games. If Ole Miss didn't want to play Troy at another time (don't blame them for risking a loss), that's too bad.

UCF backed out of the contract with Troy (I believe it was for at least two games) and did not offer a make-up game. I assume UCF paid a fee for its breach, but almost no fee can mitigate the damage done by a big hole in a schedule.

Ask West Virginia (if I remember correctly), which was threatening to sue either UCF or USF for breaking a contract for a game next year.

[Hector]

playing Troy at home doesn't really benefit UCF.

Gotta disagree with you there, JSU Alum. Playing home and home will bebefit both schools, especially from the attendance standpoint. Both fans would travel well to those games, and older fans will remember the rivalry that has already existed.

[JSU_Alum]

Troy did back out the Ole Miss game just b/c Nebraska was paying more. The TV deal was done for the third Nebraska game.

UCF backed out of the deal b/c they could get a TV game with Penn State.

Now, Hector and *******, tell me, if you're the AD, you can get a game on ESPN against a national power (or at least used to be) or you can play a game against another mid-major team that will result in only local coverage and no TV, what would you do?

Hector, you and I will disagree on this point b/c while the attendance figure would be nice in playing a team like Troy at home, they get NO exposure.

Playing a BCS team at least gets them some TV time and being carried nationally in the newspapers. A Troy-UCF game would only be covered by the two teams local media and there would be NO television unless it was moved to another day than Saturday.

[BMarkey]

The TV deal was done for the benefit of Southern Miss and Nebraska. Sorry to burst your bubble. Troy agreed to cooperate not as much for the money but for the exposure and two guaranteed national TV games.

playing Troy at home doesn't really benefit UCF.

... Not unless UCF cares about fans. The Troy games far exceeded UCF attendance averages, thanks in part to thousands of Troy fans (many of whom live in Florida) who attended. Last time I checked, a Troy game placed third or fourth in all-time UCF attendance records (32,000 or 37,000).

UCF's announced Homecoming crowd last year was 22,000.

Playing in Florida helps Troy's recruiting (had the most Florida recruits of any non Florida I-A school last year) and gives Troy fans in Florida a boost.

And it feels great to beat the Knights on their own (well, Orlando's) field.

If you think UCF is going to get any positive national press after last year, you've got to be kidding. Oh year, it is playing Spurrier in his first game at S.C.

UCF will probably never be the player its fans think it is and will always play second fiddle to Florida (especially in Orlando), FSU, Miami and maybe even USF. Down here, FAU and FIU fans outnumber UCF fans.

Troy is in the same situation in Alabama, but its fans are not so cocky as to think Troy will take over the state in a matter of years. Most of us have enough sense and humility to understand that we are a little school (maybe one-quarter of the size of UCF) growing consistently in size and stature, and that eventually we will be a major player.

Until then, we enjoy being David and slaying (or at least scaring) Goliath.

... what would you do?

Of course, break my obiligations. :)

[Hector]

JSU Alum, while BCS ganes on TV are great (as you know, TROY has ahd its share of gold), home games against other IA competition is worth its weight in gold. A UCF-TROY home and home gives both schools that. And, like I said before, it adds to the attendance figure (which seems to mean something to the NCAA). A school needs to be able to do both of those things. I'll say it again -- it is in UCF'sm(and TROY's) interests to play each other home and home. Surely you see that.

[JSU_Alum]

But you're looking at it from your side.

Much like you think that you are bigger than JSU, UCF thinks its bigger than Troy. And it is.

To get a I-A home game is one thing, but for UCF to play Troy, it helps Troy more than it does UCF. Why would UCF want to play a game in its area that it recruits against?

You do make a good point on the attendance, and if that stays in the rules, then you'll see more of an emphasis on it.

But from everything I'm reading, there is no way the 15k requirement will stay in place.

Don't get wrong, it would be a great game for Troy, but it doesn't make a lot of sense on the UCF end of things, unless they were desperate for a game.

*******, break down the 3-game series vs. Nebraska:

Games 1 & 2 - part of $1 million deal that saw Troy get out of its contract to play Ole Miss in its first I-A game.

Game 3 - Was the TV deal (Troy was looking for a game anyway I do believe)

I do think UCF has the base to be the "fourth" team in the state of Florida. Think about it...they produce at least 5,000 alumni a year. That's half a decade for Troy in # of alumni produced (and I'm only talking about TSU-T alumni, not the TSU-University of Phoenix alums).

When they get out and start making some money, there is potential for them to give back to their alma mater. In 10 years they have 50k graduates, think about the amount of money they could donate back to the school?

[Troy_Nomad]

Hector you are wrong. UCF should not play us. They should play Prarie View, Huntingdon College, and maybe Bullock County High School. That way they wouldn't be 0-11.

Or they should seriously look at a long term deal with VMI. I know they are 1AA but they were 0-11 last year as well. Looks like their programs are heading in the same direction.

[BMarkey]

But you're looking at it from your side.

Yes, the side of Florida resident who finds almost as much Troy copy in major South Florida newspapers as UCF copy, and that's not saying there is much printed here.

Much like you think that you are bigger than JSU, UCF thinks its bigger than Troy. And it is.

You're right. UCF is bigger, but its sports program isn't (at least not in terms of rankings, winnings, bowl appearances, etc.). They are close, I will admit.

To get a I-A home game is one thing, but for UCF to play Troy, it helps Troy more than it does UCF. Why would UCF want to play a game in its area that it recruits against?

Why wouldn't one mid-major I-A team would not want to play another in the same region, with lots of fan and media attention, TV interest and high school recruiting possibilities (in Bama and Florida)? Why wouldn't one mid-major want to gain a home and home series and develop a big rivalry. It certainly isn't gong to happen with any other close team, except for, maybe USF.

Maybe UCF might want to avenge its losing record against Troy, which has had its way with the Knights in most football games. I could go on.

Attendance is more than meeting the NCAA's rules. It's also about the atmosphere, the buzz, the good time fans have, and, of course, the money each ticket brings to the host school and community.

UCF would have more to gain in playing Troy now than Troy playing UCF. As an opponent to visit, UCF would be one of the smaller football schools Troy would face. UCF is no longer looked up to as a great away game by Troy, which has faced the top and better known teams in the country, defeating a few.

I do think UCF has the base to be the "fourth" team in the state of Florida.

Maybe, if USF falters and if FAU does not keep growing and build its own domed stadium.

Think about it...they produce at least 5,000 alumni a year.

If that is true, many of them are commuter grads who probably drive around with UF stickers on their cars and wear FSU T-shirts.

That's half a decade for Troy in # of alumni produced (and I'm only talking about TSU-T alumni, not the TSU-University of Phoenix alums).

Nice slap. Too bad JSU doesn't have branch campuses to bring in needed revenue and spread the school's nameand reputation aroudn the world.

Troy's small size is why its amazing success over the past decade makes the university stand out and be looked up to. It's the little school that can. And I believe sports notoriety - as well as major campus expansion - has caused Troy to grow by 33 percent or more in the last few years (Hector can give the exact figures).

Every once in a while, after I read a slap at Troy by someone from a much larger school, I have to remind myself that is a compliment to allTrojans. Not too long ago, we weren't even in the same league with these people (including UCF), and now they (including fans of Iopwa State, FSU, Kandsas State, Marshall, Mizzou, etc.) think highly enough of our little school to consider it a threat and/or a rival.

That shows me how far we have come from playing our biggest games of the year against North Alabama, Southeast Louisiana, Mississippi College or even Jax State.

[TropolitanSportsEditor]

JSU Alum, while I will stay mainly out of this argument I would like to add this point in favor of ******* and Hector.

I don't know if your familiar with our new set-up OGU (One Great University).

In this new set-up we are now one university, that includes all the branches. They will now and until it changes again, one big university spread out world-wide. All students that enter the Troy University campus will fly under one flag.

So your comment about "5,000 a year, that is a decade for Troy" pertaining to the number of alumni we produce each year, is now false. As of next year any Troy student on any campus in the world that graduates will be a Troy alumni for that year. The new numbers for our enrollment with the inception of OGU will be well over 25,000 students. So, 5,000 alumni per year will now be matched and soon exceeded.

Just though I would add that into this discussion, since numbers seem to be in the mix.

[UCF99]

it isn't possible. I know you had a supposed bad experience in Orlando at the UCF v Troy hoops game. Not all UCF fans are out to get you, Troy is a good rivalry for anybody following these programs for the last 10 years + as myself and a few on this board.
UCF was paid between $400-$500K and national exposure for the PSU game. We probably wouldn't have even gotten $50K to play at Troy and certainly no TV coverage. Same thing you all did taking the Nebraska game a few years ago. Truth be, I would love to see Troy in CUSA with us in the Eastern division along with Marshall, UAB, East Carolina, Southern Miss and Memphis....
Agnew

[JSU_Alum]

TSE, you can throw that 25k number out there, but we all know that it is a crock.

I'm VERY familiar with the "One Great Univeristy" crap. The only number that should really matter is the number of alumni produced by TSU-T. Those are the only people that really give a damn about the school and are potential donors.

Yes, once in a great while, there will be somebody from the TSU-Cambodia campus that gives some money, but if you're expecting the other 20k students to help support the athletics dept. at TSU-T, then you need to quit sipping the kool aid.

*******, I see your point about creating atmosphere for a game. But if you're UCF, you're worried that you might have less fans than your opponent, which wouldn't be good for the ol' image (much like UAB...I think we have a chance to out draw them in our game against them this year).

Troy's biggest problem always has been and always will be its location. It is not in a top 100 media market, the closest airport is a hour away (either direction) and its basketball arena is concrete box. If Troy fixed those three problems, they probably would be attractive to C-USA.

I am impressed with how much the city of Troy has grown since my last visit (I drove through this weekend). The town now has TWO Waffle Houses, which is big because its a requirement to stay I-A.

[Sarahbelle]

TSE, you can throw that 25k number out there, but we all know that it is a crock.

I'm VERY familiar with the "One Great Univeristy" crap. The only number that should really matter is the number of alumni produced by TSU-T. Those are the only people that really give a damn about the school and are potential donors.


You may want to retract that statement...fast.

A lot of the posters on here and some of our bigget fans are graduates of TSUD, TSUM, and the Panhandle campus.

[BMarkey]

Troy's biggest problem always has been and always will be its location. It is not in a top 100 media market, the closest airport is a hour away (either direction) and its basketball arena is concrete box. If Troy fixed those three problems, they probably would be attractive to C-USA.

The size of the media market is not a save-all. Sometimes school gets lost in the "big" city amongst the pro and other college sports.

I market size was that important, UCF would be much more powerful and fan-drawing than it is. Also, FAU and FIU (which are between two top-40 media markets - Miami/Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach) would be power houses. UAB would be, well, respectable. :)

[ucfunke]

there were 100K people at the penn state game. It was the big time. It was ESPN, that in itself is better then a 35k game vs troy.

A loss on TV vs Penn State is better than a 1 or 2 point victory over troy state that only gets local coverage. The main reason is the exposure. Reguardless of the loss recruits saw us almost come back. They saw Kruz's wide open offense.

We know we lost 11 games last year. We know we won't do much better next year, but we have one of the greatest college coaches around and I doubt hes just gonna let this thing fall apart. All we can do now is support our team and wait.

[BMarkey]

That Penn State game (loss) got some coverage in the Northeast, and a bit in Florida, but that's about it. The game made the agate and some briefs in college football sections around the country - the same coverage it would have gotten for a Troy game.

The notoriety certainly didn't help UCF in recruiting.

As for your coach, his greatness (resume aside) remains to be seen.

[JSU_Alum]

You're right, the media market isn't a save-all, but it gets you into the Dance. Throw in a concrete box gym and the fact that every school would have to fly into MGM or Dothan and you know why Troy gets left out of the talks for C-USA.

Plus, I've got a feeling UAB doesn't particularly care for the Trojans being in the league either.

[st932253]

Yeah - because no one watches Penn State football and UCF vs. Troy would have gotten the same audience...cancelling UCF out of both sides and your statement reads: Troy would have gotten the same coverage as Penn State.

Say that out loud to yourself 3 times.

[BMarkey]

And that major media market of Auburn (which requires a flight to MGM, BHM or Columbus) is so impressive?

UCF's gym is arguably slightly more impressive than Troy's (although horribly lighted).

Troy is on the record planning to build a ligitimate arena. It will come next.

I guess I read different papers than the UCF people, but the Knights couldn't buy regular coverage in the South Florida papers. The Penn State game might have garnered four graphs at best. My guess is they get even less coverage out of state, no matter who they play.

They might get more coverage down here if they played Troy, considering that writers are familiar with Troy and its contacts with FAU, FIU and the A-Sun.

[JSU_Alum]

Which is good chunk of the population, but notice that FAU/FIU don't get very good coverage either. Troy doesn't receive good coverage from anywhere else other than Montgomery.

UCF is about to open a new on-campus facility that will put its current one to shame. Troy's on record as saying it will have a new arena, but I figure they've got a few bills to pay with a new softball field, track complex, football and baseball stadium, on top of the first renovation to the concrete box.

[pkf4troy]

MONTGOMERY????? You have got to be kidding me!!!

[BMarkey]

FAU and FIU get pretty good coverage (could be better) down here, and even in Orlando (thanks to sister situation between the Fort Lauderdale/Palm Beach and Orlando papers).

[tsufl]

Which is good chunk of the population, but notice that FAU/FIU don't get very good coverage either. Troy doesn't receive good coverage from anywhere else other than Montgomery.

UCF is about to open a new on-campus facility that will put its current one to shame. Troy's on record as saying it will have a new arena, but I figure they've got a few bills to pay with a new softball field, track complex, football and baseball stadium, on top of the first renovation to the concrete box.

hows that football stadium renovation coming up there in "not quite auburn"

[ucfunke]

That Penn State game (loss) got some coverage in the Northeast, and a bit in Florida, but that's about it. The game made the agate and some briefs in college football sections around the country - the same coverage it would have gotten for a Troy game.

The notoriety certainly didn't help UCF in recruiting.

As for your coach, his greatness (resume aside) remains to be seen.

try again...the first penn state game was on ESPN (which is national)

[ucfunke]

FAU and FIU get pretty good coverage (could be better) down here, and even in Orlando (thanks to sister situation between the Fort Lauderdale/Palm Beach and Orlando papers).

which paper in palm beach is also owned by a company in orlando. Maybe your talking about the rag called the palm beach post which has nothing to do with either the sun sentinal or the orlando sentinal...we get more coverage via the sun sentinal then the palm beach post which. The sun is circulated in through out south florida. The only paper down there that can compete is the miami herald which is only good for its dolphins coverage. try talking about an area you are from and not where I was born and raised.

[BMarkey]

which paper in palm beach is also owned by a company in orlando.

The Sun-Sentinel, arguably the largest newspaper in South Florida and owned - along with the Orlando Sentinel - by Tribune/AOL/Time Warner. It shares FAU coverage with the Orlando paper.

The Post is owned by Cox Communications nd covers FAU decently (growing each year). Neither paper offers much of any coverage to UCF.

There is also the Miami Herald, owned by Knight Ridder; the Boca Raton News; and Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers (dailies from Stuart to Vero Beach) owned by Scripps (HGTV, etc.).

The Post and Sun-Sentinel are largest papers in terms of page count than the Herald, despite the Herald's larger circulation. But the Herald pretty puch caters to Miami-only sports, while the Post, Sun-Sentinel and other mentioned dailies cover FAU and other sports much better for their readers in Broward, Palm Beach and counties to the north, with a population of more than 4 million (not including Miami-Dade).

No one I know reads the Miami Herald for sports, while the Post and Sun-Sentinel consistently win national sports awards. The Post's news coverage - that's another story.

[ucfunke]

which paper in palm beach is also owned by a company in orlando.

The Sun-Sentinel, arguably the largest newspaper in South Florida and owned - along with the Orlando Sentinel - by Tribune/AOL/Time Warner. It shares FAU coverage with the Orlando paper.

The Post is owned by Cox Communications nd covers FAU decently (growing each year). Neither paper offers much of any coverage to UCF.

There is also the Miami Herald, owned by Knight Ridder; the Boca Raton News; and Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers (dailies from Stuart to Vero Beach) owned by Scripps (HGTV, etc.).

The Post and Sun-Sentinel are largest papers in terms of page count than the Herald, despite the Herald's larger circulation. But the Herald pretty puch caters to Miami-only sports, while the Post, Sun-Sentinel and other mentioned dailies cover FAU and other sports much better for their readers in Broward, Palm Beach and counties to the north, with a population of more than 4 million (not including Miami-Dade).

No one I know reads the Miami Herald for sports, while the Post and Sun-Sentinel consistently win national sports awards. The Post's news coverage - that's another story.

The sun sentinal ussuall runs the exact same stories as relates to college as the orlando sentinal (both deal more with their local school more but the Sun does offer a lot of UCF coverage. The sentinals also do a very good job covering high school sports.

The Post sucks in all areas except high school sports and is a liberal rag.

The Herald has the best coverage of the dolphins which is a good enough reason to read it.

Check out both of the sentinals web pages and they run, for the most part, the same exact stories.

[BMarkey]

Correct, but in print UCF gets little or nothing in South Florida.

[ucfunke]

winning cures all. You have to win games before you get positive attention. It will happen but it takes longer then most of us realized it would take. After Daunte we figured it would be no problem. But i guess itll be like FSU, UF, and Miami. It will take a good coach 10-20 years and we will hit national exposure. I'll just keep acting like its gonna happen next year and be a cocky bastard (same thing I do as a Dolphins fan)

[BMarkey]

Well, at least we can share a love for the 'Phins.

[ucfunke]

Well, at least we can share a love for the 'Phins.

and the pain that they make me feel anually

[TropolitanSportsEditor]

Back to main subject or at least the original argument.

JSUAlum and ucfunke need to realize that unlike the Troy Vs. Mizzou game which was broadcast nationally.
That most of the college football games that are put on tv are REGIONALLY broadcast.

I highly doubt that the UCF Vs. PSU reached homes on the West Coast and even Mid-West. And the only reason the TROY/MIZZOU game reached out that far is because it was a mid-week game.

And, by the way, a 37-13 loss on national television to a terrible football school, even with 100K in the stands isn't better than a 24-14 win over a nationally ranked school with just 35K in the stands. Either look at it wholistically or don't look at it at all.

[tsu00]

wholistically?

[TUEngineer]

wholistically?

I saw that...just didn't say anything :lol:

As well in today's Trop... "Curt Shilling" :lol:

[pkf4troy]

My fav is the fragment.........

"JSUAlum and ucfunke need to realize that unlike the Troy Vs. Mizzou game which was broadcast nationally.
That most of the college football games that are put on tv are REGIONALLY broadcast."

[TUEngineer]

:lol:

[svenattroy]

Wow. He is trying to defend our program and you get onto him for grammatical errors? You must really hate this guy!

And in case anyone wants to know, its spelled holistically!

[TUEngineer]

He's a journalist...shouldn't have these mistakes... :lol:

ESPECIALLY spelling SCHILLING wrong...

[svenattroy]

He's a journalist, so he has to write at a 6th grade level. Apparently that also applies to spelling too!

[JSU_Alum]

Does this guy know anything about sports or does Troy just let anyone run the sports section?

Anyway, TSE, one game does not a season make. After the Mizzou game, how many people were at the next home game after the loss at NM STate?

[BMarkey]

Utah State (2-3,1-1) 21
Troy Trojans (3-2,1-1) 42

Date: Oct 02, 2004 Site: Troy, Ala.

Stadium: Movie Gallery

Attendance: 20,029

[TropolitanSportsEditor]

Just so you know, typo's happen in journalism. And, I appreciate svenattroy to seeing what my point really was about.

JSUAlum, I do know "anything" about sports. If I didn't, I wouldn't have been offered the position. Again, mistakes happen when you are learning.

And as far as the Schilling thing is concerned, I spelled it Schilling. It was one of the copy editor's that changed it, without asking me if it was spelled correctly. And, aside from the media bashing itself in the face with a tire iron repeatedly, it takes far too much abuse from the always scrupulous, misinformed and uncaring public.

Never mind there are many journalist that strictly adhere to ethical and moral journalism, it's the idiots on tv and in the mainstream that the sterotype is continued and the persecution fueled.

So, continue to bash and ridicule at your own discretion. I will continue to adhere to what I believe journalism is and could be. I have come to realize that no matter what I say or do, I will be hated and cussed. If some of you hate my writing so much, then why are you paying attention to what I am saying so closely that you pick up on the very slim grammatical error's in my columns?

[RedEdgeTrojan]

My fav is the fragment.........

"JSUAlum and ucfunke need to realize that unlike the Troy Vs. Mizzou game which was broadcast nationally.
That most of the college football games that are put on tv are REGIONALLY broadcast."


Now I don't always agree with TSE but give him a break. This is a message board not a print media. I am sure everyone has made a mistake or three in this forum. Its part of life, being human that is. As for the spelling of Curt's last name, I won't have noticed it was incorrect because I don't know how it is supposed to be spelled. Unless it happens on a constant basis, it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

[D1Trojan4U]

errors....the error itself is not possesing anything-as incorrectly indicated by the apostrophe.

on second thought- it may be correct due to the fact that such errors do usually own the columns.

[tsu00]

Really I just thought it was amusing that he mispelled it and he is a journalism major. Didnt intend to cause such an argument....

[JSU_Alum]

Hey TSE, by the way, that UCF-PSU game WAS televised nationally as well...it was the Big 10 early game on ESPN.

*******, I have a hard time believing that there was 20k at the Utah State game, when you couldn't even sell out the Mizzou game.

I really find it hard to believe that in 2001, Troy set a stadium record for 20k in attendance against Ala. State (mainly due to the visiting team's fans) and now they are pulling 20k/game.

I want to hear you guys defend your attendance numbers, b/c after the Mizzou game, I figure you guys were lucky to get 15k other than homecoming.

[TUEngineer]

errors....the error itself is not possesing anything-as incorrectly indicated by the apostrophe.

on second thought- it may be correct due to the fact that such errors do usually own the columns.

D1...Don't forget typo's :lol:

[TUEngineer]

Hey TSE, by the way, that UCF-PSU game WAS televised nationally as well...it was the Big 10 early game on ESPN.

*******, I have a hard time believing that there was 20k at the Utah State game, when you couldn't even sell out the Mizzou game.

I really find it hard to believe that in 2001, Troy set a stadium record for 20k in attendance against Ala. State (mainly due to the visiting team's fans) and now they are pulling 20k/game.

I want to hear you guys defend your attendance numbers, b/c after the Mizzou game, I figure you guys were lucky to get 15k other than homecoming.

You're an idiot...I was at that game...it was EASILY 20K, as I was forced to sit near the greeks, which I hate to do...but that's another story...

[troymarkus]

We don't have to defend our attendance numbers. We have crowds that are growing each year. You see, we are a real school--not like that pathetic excuse for a lame university in Redneckville. Go back under the rock all JSU alums live under. We promise not to come back up there and embarrass your football team, basketball team, or baseball team again. We can't waste our time with losers like ya'll.

[D1Trojan4U]

As a son of two Jacksonville State alumni- My father twice over- I would like to state that the home I go back to is not under a rock.

That said- I would like for JSU_Alum to justify why I played a high school football game in Paul Snow Stadium that was better attended than any Jax. St. home game that season....by far.

[BMarkey]

*******, I have a hard time believing that there was 20k at the Utah State game, when you couldn't even sell out the Mizzou game.

I was there. I think that was our lowest attended game of the year, not incuding the MTSU monsoon debacle.

Troy's attendance rises each year as people experience the exciting new atmosphere and see the great value of attending a game. Friends of mine (from the II-A and I-AA eras) who came back last year were amazed, and some came back again with their kids. Others plan to buy season tickets this year (if Troy would market them to alumni!).

I would not be surprised if we see a sellout or two in the near future.

As Troy continues to make a name for itslelf in I-A, new fans come and the schoo grows. I believe there will be talk of closing in the other end zone and adding skyboxes to the other side in the next few years.