I'm thinking about starting a campaign!

[troymarkus]

To get students moved down on the floor for B-ball games.

[RedEdgeTrojan]

Somebody ought to use them. I was going to buy season tickets in that area but was told "there wasn't any left". I guess as long as they are sold, they don't care if anyone sits in them.

[troy4ever]

ABSOLUTELY MARKUS!

[D1Trojan4U]

I would like for those that voted no to voice their concerns, as I see no reason why it is not feasible or a good idea.

Additionally, I think us current students on the board should email our SGA presidential candidates to voice our desires and opinions on this matter.

[svenattroy]

I would like for those that voted no to voice their concerns, as I see no reason why it is not feasible or a good idea.

Additionally, I think us current students on the board should email our SGA presidential candidates to voice our desires and opinions on this matter.

All the students have realized that the SGA has no power except over homecoming. And since, rumour has it, Sartain is going to be coming down this summer, what's the point of moving?

[troy4ever]

You said exactly what that is, RUMOUR! And this is why! Why would we tear down our current VOLLYBALL(fall sport) and basketball arena THIS summer when we haven't even started anything in regards to a new facility. I know we do things that don't make sense sometimes, but I don't think we'd go to that extreme.

[fiesty_red]

I'm about 300 miles away from Troy, so I don't know the validity of this rumour, although I've heard it myself, but my point is that here lately and many, many times in the past, practicality has not been the watchword in Troy. But that's just my opinion, and we all know what they're like. :)

[TROYgirl128]

This is the first I've heard of them redoing the whole building. I thought they were just redoing the floor with the new logo and stuff!

I guess I'm a little out of the loop! 8)

[DirtRoadTrojan]

I would like for those that voted no to voice their concerns, as I see no reason why it is not feasible or a good idea.

Additionally, I think us current students on the board should email our SGA presidential candidates to voice our desires and opinions on this matter.


Buy the seat. During the UCF home game, expletives were flying behind us (those in the red seats) from the young people behind us. I have no idea if they are students and don't care. They were Troy fans. ******* isn't the only person who has no desire to listen to that at a game, particularly at a home game. Three gentlemen in the red seats told the guys to can the cursing. More than once. I was impressed with them and the fact that they wouldn't let it slide. I don't want to be near it in my home, my car, or at a game.

[Trojan83]

Put the students courtside on one side of the gym and let everyone buy season tickets for the other half. I think it would make Troy a more itimidating place to play. We already lead the A-Sun in attendance per home game.

This has been long overdue. Half of the old geezers are only there for the halftime food and don't even standup when the Trojans come on the floor.

[Hector]

Bring 'em down!

:twisted:

[D1Trojan4U]

While I do hate that you had that experience at a home game, I do not appreciate the generalization of that being the mentality or language of all students. (I realize that this statement sounds eerily familiar from a UCF argument...) I assure you that the majority of students do not act like heathens....despite what misinformed perception you seem to have. You yourself even admitted that you didnt know if they were students. Sounds like a "looks like one, acts like one, must be one" mentality....which will get you in trouble eventually. Further disturbing to me is the "buy the seat" comment. Why such the grumpy attitude? I expect you to go give a finger shaking to the next player that lets a profanity fly on the court. I believe it's this mentality from administration and alumni that is hindering basketball environments at the very least- and its dissapointing. (If you're sitting behind us, you wont hear anything- I promise.)

Nonetheless, welcome to the board.

[tsufl]

I would like for those that voted no to voice their concerns, as I see no reason why it is not feasible or a good idea.

Additionally, I think us current students on the board should email our SGA presidential candidates to voice our desires and opinions on this matter.


Buy the seat. During the UCF home game, expletives were flying behind us (those in the red seats) from the young people behind us. I have no idea if they are students and don't care. They were Troy fans. ******* isn't the only person who has no desire to listen to that at a game, particularly at a home game. Three gentlemen in the red seats told the guys to can the cursing. More than once. I was impressed with them and the fact that they wouldn't let it slide. I don't want to be near it in my home, my car, or at a game.

For some reason I get the feeling this isnt really a Troy fan, if it had been Im sure they would have brought up the foul language used by our students before now, rather this person just registered today and in the midst of the discussion about getting the students their own section says he heard cussing. "dirt road trojan" sounds like a slam on people from alabama to me, looks like a UCF lurker to me.

[BMarkey]

sounds like a slam on people from alabama to me,

My thoughts exactly. First post?

[tsufl]

yes ******* it is indeed the first post, in fact they just joined today. I meant to include all that in my previous post.

[DirtRoadTrojan]

How entertaining! With the date of my post and the content, it has been determined that I'm not a Troy fan among other things. Absolutely remarkable! I'm a Troy fan, traveled eight hours over the weekend to see both games (men's) and have traveled for all home games. Went to most of the football games, home and away for the last two years. Nebraska was great. Their fans were the most gracious I've ever met. I've been reading this board for months and elected to not post until now. I just get tired of the incessant criticisms of other people. I have several degrees from Troy and have established a scholarship there. I'm a fan. No one in the red seats cheers louder or stands more often than I. Maybe one woman. She knows the words to every song and cheer. I noted many young people who were in the red seats joining the older folks who remained rooted to their seats yesterday. The individuals who sat in seats next to mine didn't budge. Didn't open their mouths. But I don't take that to mean they were just looking for somewhere to sit for a while. When you begin to give the seats away, will there be an event staff to throw anyone out who isn't dressed appropriately and doesn't cheer loudly enough or exactly the way they should? I see people at all the games (who do go to the girls' games) and don't leave their feet. Those old geezers, of which I'm one, support the university and activities. I'm not enrolled; I don't have a child at Troy. I may not fit your definition of a fan, due to my statement, but I am one. Before any action is taken to request the SGA get seats for the students, ask them to do something about the cheerleaders who do little cheering. At one point the gym was dead silent but for the coach from Stetson screaming "3!, 3!" and the ball bouncing. The band is great. The cheerleaders are not cheering and they aren't leaders in that gym; the guys in the band are and kudos to them. By the way, I noticed a guy in the red seats wearing a Navy hat. I'm anxious to see how many posts of righteous indignation are blazed here to protest the lack of support he and others in the red seats showed. I expect the analysis to continue, but I stand by my original position. Have a good day.
V/r

A Tojan fan

[TropolitanSportsEditor]

Dressed appropriately? APPROPRIATELY? What does dressing appropriately have anything to do with basketball. What is this school supposed to be? Some private high from podunk nowhere? If they wanna take their shirts off and paint there bodies the school colors, they should be able to do it. If they wanna jump up and down and point a holler and yell and scream, then let em do it. It's that way at Kentucky, Duke, Florida, Cinci, UConn, BC, Illinois and every other school in the nation that has outstanding basketball programs. Ever watched a Duke game? Notice the blue wave of terror courtside on one end of the arena? Just because you pay money for season tickets and drive 8 hours to come to games (which I do not believe) doesn't mean that we have to turn this place into a Yale. And as far as your degree's go, NO ONE CARES! I have taken my fair share of bashing on this website. It happens. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen! If you don't like the kitchen — don't try to bake. Fans and alumni like you my good sir are exactly why our students, we students get shafted more times than not.

You have got to be kidding me. Dressed appropriately. Yeah, that would go great on ESPN, I am sure Vitale would love to be the only loud and obnoxious idiot in the court. What, would you're "turn it off" friends ask him to be quiet or to move because you have been disturbed watching the game. And don't give me this crap about "no one stand more than I", yeah right bud. Why don't you ask the Maestri Maniacs, if they are being "out-stood by you". I'm sure you wouldn't like the answer.

Give me a break! Idiots like you, and I say idiot because only an idiot would make stupid statements like that, are the reason that this university is in great defunct when it comes to student treatment at athletic events.

Tell you what. I will give you coach Maestri's private cell phone number. YOU CALL HIM AND SAY THE EXACT SAME THING YOU POSTED ON HERE! I GARAUNTEE HE WOULD ADIMATELY DISAGREE WITH YOU. He has told me so many times in interviews that he wishes the students had a way to get more into the game, than what they have now. He wants as many loud screaming fans he can get in that arena. Vulgarity comes with the territory. What you don't think the players and other fans, and referees and other teams coaches haven't heard that kind of language before.

They have heard far worse than any thing we could dish out. Believe me. You gotta be kidding me. I have to stop. I could go on for chapters about this. It's like arguing with an umpire, you just can't stop going after it. I gotta stop. I am really worked over this idiot!

And don't even start about the Navy guy. If he supports the NAVY then he supports the country. And i could careless if any person wore a Military Branch Hat to any Troy athletic venue. It tells me one thing, he is either in the NAVY or has a family member in the NAVY. Righteous indignations my @$$. Get off here unless you got some better amo. You attack the students, you attack me. My concern is always for the students, even over myself. I would rather something be done for the students, than anything done for the media, alumni, administration.

This university centers itself around the pride it has for its students. The students have begun making great strides as far as support for this university. I have seen less and less "other" school garments being worn on campus and more Troy University stuff. I went to the bookstore and there is more and more Troy clothing and gear coming in everyday. Get off the students. Take your degree's, be a fan, and have listening from 8 hours away. Because their is no way you can convince me that you drive 8 hours to Troy for every home game.

DRESSED APPROPRIATELY!!!!!??????????!!!!!!!!!!!

[BMarkey]

Editor, are you insane? :)

Vulgarity comes with the territory.

That's a cop-out mentality. I'm no prude and I'll let go with some nasty words in appropriate (if they exist) places, but a packed game full of kids and older folks is NOT the place. If you can't make your opinion known in a more imaginative manner, than you shouldn't be there.

Welcome to the board DirtRoad. Your first post appeared a bit suspicious, but I'll accept your word that you're a fan (as if that matters). Keep psting!

I just wish we had to use our real names here. The discourse would be more civil.

[D1Trojan4U]

I agree with ******* that your first post did seem a little shady, but after some of the descriptions of Sunday's game- I believe that you were there. (Especially the coach -- who looked somewhat like Will Farrell from SNL -- screaming 3 repeatedly.) I am glad that you come back to support the team, but wonder what is behind the seeming animosity towards current students.

Please do not characterize us all based on TSE and his post. While there were many parts of your post that were unclear to me (the dressed appropriately comment being one of them)....I think that there is one issue that I could clear up. I believe that TSE had a huge step out in his previous post. I also observed the same guy in the hat. The hat was a NAVY blue colored AUBURN hat....that matched his AUBURN shirt- not a hat of the US Naval Academy. Would you like some dessert with that main course of foot, TSE? :roll:

I see both sides of the profanity issue. I do not condone the expletives during athletic events- but cannot claim to never have let one fly from the stands. I realize that there are better ways to get the point across, but also realisically know that profanity will still exist regardless.

TSE...please don't bring the self proclaimed maniacs into this- many of these are the same students that wear Alabama or Auburn hats to games- not to mention sport stickers on their vehicles reading: ROLLWARDAMNTROJANS getting them all in for good measure- and putting us last. Thanks guys- we appreciate it. Glad to have you as our "example fans"

[Lord-Mustang]

I know this may not be popular, but let me ask a question here. When you look at College Basketball on TV and see all those "Students", do you think they sit around and keep mindful of what they are saying? I mean honestly people...I can understand having a donors section for football, and maybe even baseball...but in a basketball arena, you're going to hear things you don't want to regardless. I believe the basketball programs 6th man ARE the students that don't sit on their rear-ends and give the occasional "golf clap" in appreciation for the team playing on the court. Bring the people that get rowdy, down to the floor....heck...even give them a scholarship.

[TrojanFan2]

Sports Editor you are way out of line. Exclaming Bull---- or something similar out of frustration to a bad call is not the same as cussing in routine language or cheering for that matter. Decent appropriat language is expected in ANY public place and Trojan Arena is a public place. It's a matter of character, it doesn't matter where you are. By your logic as long as I'm at a Troy Basketball game I can say or do as I please. I guess since you claim to write for the paper you consider foul language a first ammendment right. Why not put some in the paper when you write about the game? After all you shouldn't be held to the same standard of decency as long as it's basketball. Or at least put #$%&*@# in the article every once in a while to let people know what you really want to say but some "unfair" censor won't let you.

During the game on Sunday some students moved down to the comfy seats that cost lots of money. They typically slouched in their seats with their feet on the seats in front of them and never utter a word or participated in any cheers. So what good would it do to have the students occupy those seats? Could the seats be better arranged?---Sure! I hope when they build a new arena there will be some seats close to the court for students. Personally I'd like to see them close to the court at each end of the stadium. They could heckle the opposing team whenever they are on offense or at the free throw line. I'd certainly be content to sit higher up to allow students closer.

The "Old Geezers" that sit close to me are there every game and cheer, fuss, rant and rave all during the game. They do it without foul language and we all have a good time. But alas, they don't stand up during the entire game or for that matter when sports editor thinks they should. I guess we should then have foul language directed at us as it is all part of the basketball atmosphere.

[troymarkus]

There are also some people around you that asked me to sit down a couple games ago. Because they couldn't see--in the most exciting part of the game!! That is crazy!

I'm thinking if we move the students down, that it maybe we open up 1/3 of the red section on the players side--maybe behind the visiting team's bench. That would leave 2/3 of that side still for us geezers! And the whole other side. It's a start and maybe they could hold a lottery each game for those tickets---or first come first serve for students. Maybe then we'd make sure the one's who deserve it get it.

[TrojanFan2]

I agree Markus. I stand up also. I just don't remain standing the whole game. The folks in the row in front of me rarely stand up. One guy a few seats over is up and down constantly. Depends on the game and the person. Just because someone is in the red seats doesn't mean they don't enjoy basketball, regardless of how much enthusiam they show. Believe me, the food at halftime is not worth the two hour drive I have to make.

[TropolitanSportsEditor]

You have all still missed it. All I ever hear on here is all of you talking about bad attendence, bad student support. In the rare case that you feel that your thought is more important or the best way of thinking, you will say something to the effect of. Oh, look at all the people THIS section of the stadium, and look at this guy screaming through a Unicel mini megaphone. When the rest of the stadium was clearly empty.

In another instance you, and I do too, curse the students that wear "other schools" gear. Which I don't approve of, but am seeing less of on campus.

You want a bigger arena, closer seats, more intense environment at the basketball games. But, when someone mentions the words or suggests that they take you "old geezers" seats away, that you actually care cost money, then your panties go up in a wad and you start backing away.

Which is it? Is it more intensity and crazy student cheering that you want, or is it a laid back Yale, let's go observe a basketball game and stand when we think a call was bad, but not really want it to be loud and crazy.

Do you really think that if they gave the red seats on the student side of the arena to the students, gave them an incentive to be as loud as possible that you could actually understand or hear what was being said. If you do, you're an idiot.

I just don't get you guys. You want Troy athletics to be put on the map. You want nationally televised games. But, the tv doesn't want a bunch of uber alumni sitting in their fancy red seats on television. They want to show the courtside students going nuts. Again, I refer to Duke's arena. Before any of you post it, YES! I know we are not Duke. But, you all in the back of your minds want our basketball program to have the notariety of Duke basketball. But apparently you don't want it if it means you alumni don't get VIP over the students. Yeah, god forbid the university give students any kind of VIP treatment. I mean afterall they ONLY pay the school money to be educated. And whoever said that PAYING a school would warrant VIP treatment in some situations.

But whatever, all you guys like to do on here is bash and rant and whatever. And before you start on me...if I read another post like dirtroadtrojans, I would go after that one too. It isn't right for anyone to tell any of our students that they aren't "supportive enough" to have red seats or be courtside. That should be given to them automatically. If there were no students, the only thing this university would end up being is a bunch of "geezer alumni" talking about the good ole' days.

[TrojanWar]

TSE, could you try to start condensing your posts down a bit? Every time you post it's like reading War and Peace. I want to read everything on here, but these books you write are a little rediculous. I end up skipping some of your posts just because I don't have time to read that much. I think your points and what you are trying to say could be said in a lot fewer words. Keep in mind, you are not trying to fill up a newspaper column here.

[TrojanFan2]

Do you really think that if they gave the red seats on the student side of the arena to the students, gave them an incentive to be as loud as possible that you could actually understand or hear what was being said. If you do, you're an idiot.


My dear BOY sports editor. The "character" I was referring to in my previous posts is obviously something you lack. Character, integrity, honesty, et al are more defined by what you say or do when you can't be held accountable. I don't care if I hear it or understand it. I'm not the person that determeines your character -- you do!

You need to talk to a responsible adult on your newspaper staff and get some guidance.

[TropolitanSportsEditor]

What does character, integrity and honesty have anything to do with what my opinion of this discussion is about?

Honesty? Okay, honestly. I think that the students deserve the entire student side red seats. All of you know that vulgarity has become a staple in sports today. You can't to any sporting venue without profanity, and rude behavior. I have been to a Duke basketball game. And let me tell you. The atmoshpere in the gym, which starts with that student secion down front is amazing.

You can't hear anything going on it is so loud. So my point is (to keep from writing a novel) that giving the students an incentive to come to the game, early and fill the arena, and be loud and obnoxious. Is, in my mind, far better than not having any at all.

Bringing character and integrity into this issue is pointless, that isn't a factor for most college student fans at whatever sports venue they go too.

Oh and TrojanFan2, if I didn't have character and integrity and honesty, I wouldn't have admitted I was wrong about DT, and apologized to everyone in the athletic department that was involved. I suggest you keep character, integrity and honesty off of this board, when making statements directed at people and their inviduality.

[TropolitanSportsEditor]

To be very brief TrojanFan2.

Go back and read all of my posts on this argument. I never said they should be allowed to do whatever they want. And I don't think that profanity and vulgarity appropriate. I never said any of those things. I said if they want to paint their bodies and faces, jump up and down, hoot and holler, yell and scream. Then let them do it. If that's what gets them excited about the game. But, vulgarity does come with that kind of territory. I love how you read into what I say, when there is nothing there to read.

Think whatever you want. If you don't read my writing or know anything about the standards that the Trop has then your attempted insults fall on deaf ears.

[TrojanFan2]

Cahracter --- Well you obviously don't have any. Apologizing after the fact has been pointed out to you and everyone knows you are wrong is not the same as you initiating it. If you think people should be able to act any way they want at a basketball game you are dead wrong. I haven't been to Duke. But I have been to plenty of North Carolina and N.C. State games. They are loud, they are exciting and the crowd is into the entire game. But they didn't use foul language.

If you can't go to any sporting venue without profanity and rude behavior? I think not. I've been to sporting venues all over the United States. There are always some who act like idiots but unlike you the vast majority of fans don't appreciate it and want them gone. Grow up.

You can have the last word and tell me how wrong I am and that rude behavior and profanity have a rightful place at a basketball game.

[TropolitanSportsEditor]

You just continue to read into what I say. I NEVER said that it had a rightful place. And you know, if you remember correctly, I didn't go and apologize after everyone told me I was wrong. I apologized after I got done checking all of my sources information and saw that some of that was true but the biggest part was not. That is when I stepped up and called LB to apologize.

Whatever. You are just being antagonistic. I still say that there is no way to stop vulgar behavior at sporting venues. And while you may not have heard any foul language at the NC and NC State games. I am sure that the student section was lighting up with it, a section you more than likely could not hear.

Neither of us is right on this. We both have good points. The problem is your reading into my comments, and I am offended you attack my character, integrity and honesty. So I propose we negate our dispute and put it behind us.

[Hector]

In reading this thread, a simple situation is being made overly complicated. here is all you need to do to improve game atmosphere:

1) Let the students sit in the red seats. they make more noise than the old-timers. Period.

2) Find a way to convince the old-timers to pay the same athletic premium donation for general admission seats that they were for their red seats. The athletic department needs that donor revenue. You've got to find a way to make it up, since most students can't afford to donate those kinds of funds.

3) Where does a student cross the line in terms of foul language? That's what referees are for. If the language is bad enough, and gets personal enough, they will ask the management to have that student removed.

[TropolitanSportsEditor]

Very well stated Hector. That is exactly what should be done.

[TrojanWar]

Thanks Hector! You said it all in one small paragraph. It should not be any more complicated than that.

TSE made a little shorter posts, but then he made three in a row that ended up being longer than what he would have put in one! I like simple posts that get to the point.

[TUEngineer]

TSE made a little shorter posts, but then he made three in a row that ended up being longer than what he would have put in one! I like simple posts that get to the point.

Pretty similar to his Trop articles? Long and boring...:lol:

[PrincetonianTrojan]

Just because you pay money for season tickets and drive 8 hours to come to games (which I do not believe) doesn't mean that we have to turn this place into a Yale. And as far as your degree's go, NO ONE CARES! DRESSED APPROPRIATELY!!!!!??????????!!!!!!!!!!!
What's wrong with my buddies at Yale?

I have taken my fair share of bashing on this website.
That's because you're a nutcase. :) So, yes, whoever asked, he is insane.

Also, if you pay attention (aren't journalists known for their accute attention to detail?), you might learn something from TrojanFan2.

[troystateuniv2000]

I've read your posts, TSE. They're terrible. Your train of thought and writing pattern is almost unreadable. I've never read such unintelligible poppycock in my entire life. Sports editor? Of what, your high school's newspaper?

P.S. I'll forward your comments on language over to Dr. Hawkins and see what he thinks.