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MusicMan
06-08-2009, 10:48 PM
Ok, so I know that there are KKPsi, TBS, PMA, and SAI, but I was wondering if anyone else is like me and Fusco and joined a social fraternity or soriety on here?

JPSousa1898
06-09-2009, 02:21 AM
Plenty of SOTS have been strictly social over the years. The reason there's a lot of PMAS, SAI, KKY, TBS, and PBr is that those people believe in music and band so strongly that they decided to join an organization that believed in those causes as strongly as they did.

FliryVorru
06-09-2009, 12:51 PM
Back in the day, half of the drumline was Delta Chi... I came up with at least a dozen or so people off the top of my head just thinking about my first year in school. I think the reason you may not notice social frat brothers or sorority sisters as readily as a music group member is because of the nature of the organizations, like JPSousa said. Music groups are going to rep their stuff at the place they love, like band. Other frats may not do that on the band field, per say.

Another HUGE factor is that social frats around campus don't wear letter jerseys or shirts nearly as often as the music organizations do. It's not to say one is better or worse, it's just a fact of the matter.

TroyTrojanNYC
06-09-2009, 01:49 PM
Back in the day, half of the drumline was Delta Chi... I came up with at least a dozen or so people off the top of my head just thinking about my first year in school. I think the reason you may not notice social frat brothers or sorority sisters as readily as a music group member is because of the nature of the organizations, like JPSousa said. Music groups are going to rep their stuff at the place they love, like band. Other frats may not do that on the band field, per say.

Another HUGE factor is that social frats around campus don't wear letter jerseys or shirts nearly as often as the music organizations do. It's not to say one is better or worse, it's just a fact of the matter.

And way, WAY back in the day, when the "Color Guard" was just an after-thought (and was all-male!), it was quite prestigious for a social fraternity brother to be picked (via audition) to march in "the guard". (Delta Chi kinda had a monopoly on it back in the late 70s). My my my.

MusicMan
06-09-2009, 08:05 PM
Back in the day, half of the drumline was Delta Chi... I came up with at least a dozen or so people off the top of my head just thinking about my first year in school. I think the reason you may not notice social frat brothers or sorority sisters as readily as a music group member is because of the nature of the organizations, like JPSousa said. Music groups are going to rep their stuff at the place they love, like band. Other frats may not do that on the band field, per say.

Another HUGE factor is that social frats around campus don't wear letter jerseys or shirts nearly as often as the music organizations do. It's not to say one is better or worse, it's just a fact of the matter.

Actually, most of the socials are getting into wearing the letters more often now. It's not really sorieties that this is going on with, it's the fraternities. I know we have a TKE, DX, loads of ATO's and LXA's, but just doesn't seem like there's that many around...idk, I may just be crazy

JPSousa1898
06-10-2009, 02:11 PM
Again, compared to the music frats, the numbers are going to be quite minute because of another fact. More and more high school musicians are dropping out before they reach the collegiate band experience because they feel that it's going to be uber competitive like their high school band. This is one more reason why band directors should be urged to make band fun moreso than trying to compete for every little trophy out there. Contests are good, but what good are they if they go against the prime objective of making life-long musicians out of our students? Just something to chew on, I don't mean to stir the pot on this, even though I know I have. No offense to anyone for sure!

MusicMan
06-10-2009, 03:46 PM
No offenese taken here, I completely agree with you on that. I love contests, but if a director is more about a trophy than about his/her students, then that director has lost sight of what being a musician truly means. I want to be a director one day, and I know that my first goal is to make my students into the best musicians that they can be, not get my band recognized because I run a band boot camp.

FliryVorru
06-10-2009, 09:40 PM
Actually, most of the socials are getting into wearing the letters more often now. It's not really sorieties that this is going on with, it's the fraternities. I know we have a TKE, DX, loads of ATO's and LXA's, but just doesn't seem like there's that many around...idk, I may just be crazy

I'm glad they are wearing letters more, I think that's a great thing for a fraternity to do. It builds pride, a sense of identity, and allows other fraternities to see who else is out there.

TroyTuba
06-11-2009, 12:06 AM
Face it, in general, we are "band geeks" for the most part and it is a rare thing that non-music fraternities and sororities see band as advancing the social cause (for the most part). I believe, too, that many socials have many events and things planned, especially in the fall and that makes being in band difficult (but not impossible).

TrojanWarrior418
06-11-2009, 12:31 PM
Back in my days as an active TKE we saw the band as a Gold Mine of opprotunity. We knew, generally speaking, that the band members were more active in school, had better grades, and had a better social network than other students. I remember recruiting seveal band members over the years. We also iniated seveal KKpsi brothers into the fraternity. Ahhh those were the days.

JPSousa1898
06-11-2009, 01:28 PM
This is true, during my stint in the SOTS, I saw several winds and percussionists join TKE, Delta Chi, and help start ATO. Several African-Americans were in Panhellenic Fraternities and Sororities as well. AKA, APhiA, and Zeta Phi Beta all come to mind as having members in the SOTS when I was there. There were a lot of majorettes and dancers that were in social sororities as well. The SOTS is an under-served population of recruitment for socials because they do not know that none of the music organizations have non-exclusivity policies in regards to other organizations on campus or that their recruitment machines do not feel as if they can sway people in the SOTS to join because they feel the majority of us feel swayed towards the music frats. There could be other reasons that involve bias and prejudice, but let's not assume that of our fellow Trojans.

I think one of the best and simplest ways anyone could recruit anyone in the SOTS is taken right out of the pages of the BCM ministry.... provide the band popscicles one afternoon on a water break during band camp. That will win hearts and minds, as well as look good on the pages of community and school involvement sections of any chapter involvement reports to be sent in to a national organization.

More $0.02 for the jar...

MusicMan
06-11-2009, 08:35 PM
I agree with you completely. I know that I've pitched Lambda Chi to a lot of good guys, but the one thing that I really hate is how Hollywood portray's fraternity of being huge alcholics, which is true in some cases, but it's about more than that. I know a guy that I would love to get into Lambda Chi Alpha with me, but he won't do it because of the drinking stuff....just a lil tid bit

JPSousa1898
06-12-2009, 12:27 AM
The only way to dispel a myth or falsehood is with the truth.

MusicMan
06-12-2009, 03:47 PM
The only way to dispel a myth or falsehood is with the truth.

Ah yes, but as we all know, college students are going to party and drink, that's just the nature of being in college for some ppl. We can not dispel the falsehood when a person see's beer cans laying in every trash can at the houses, and I'm being plural because I know there in all of them, now can we?

TrojanWarrior418
06-12-2009, 05:22 PM
I agree with you completely. I know that I've pitched Lambda Chi to a lot of good guys, but the one thing that I really hate is how Hollywood portray's fraternity of being huge alcholics, which is true in some cases, but it's about more than that. I know a guy that I would love to get into Lambda Chi Alpha with me, but he won't do it because of the drinking stuff....just a lil tid bit


Back during my first few years at Troy I did partake quite abit in consuming adult beverages with my fraternity brothers, but I also do remember some of the best times I ever got wasted was at band "Green Book Parties". Some of the best "punch" I've ever had. God bless you Josh Solomon.

JPSousa1898
06-13-2009, 01:17 AM
Actually, I personally didn't partake too often and have never been drunk. So.... I'm a rarity. lol